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		<title>By: BadLiberal</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2008/06/16/notes-from-a-doorman/comment-page-1/#comment-958601</link>
		<dc:creator>BadLiberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dan:
&lt;i&gt;While it may be a cultural difference, I have never seen cops on this side of the pond shy way from or neglect to get involved in a violent situation, with a primary purpose of starting the wheels of justice working upon the â€˜allegedâ€™ criminals immediately.&lt;/i&gt;

Nice thought, but what about Columbine, VA Tech, etc.?  We have plenty of incidents over here where cops will choose the path of least risk.  I remember watching in San Francisco a police officer harrassing a mexican ice cream vendor about his permits and his lack of English speaking skills, while all around us were drug dealers practicing their craft. 

That is sadly typical of San Francisco police, in my experience of them.  Usually polite, but not that interested in taking risk.</description>
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<i>While it may be a cultural difference, I have never seen cops on this side of the pond shy way from or neglect to get involved in a violent situation, with a primary purpose of starting the wheels of justice working upon the â€˜allegedâ€™ criminals immediately.</i></p>
<p>Nice thought, but what about Columbine, VA Tech, etc.?  We have plenty of incidents over here where cops will choose the path of least risk.  I remember watching in San Francisco a police officer harrassing a mexican ice cream vendor about his permits and his lack of English speaking skills, while all around us were drug dealers practicing their craft. </p>
<p>That is sadly typical of San Francisco police, in my experience of them.  Usually polite, but not that interested in taking risk.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked door at various clubs and bars in NY and L.A., and can attest that confronting the people who start fights ends the fights quickly.  Predators don&#039;t like to fight, they like to pounce.

A major difference in what I&#039;ve seen v. your correspondent is that in the States, the police (and firemen and even paramedics) are happy to jump into a situation, and my co-workers and I all did our best to keep the fuzz on our side.  

I&#039;ve watched cops jump into semi-riots with chairs flying past their heads, and been called to a scene to help by an officer that recognized me from work.

While it may be a cultural difference, I have never seen cops on this side of the pond shy way from or neglect to get involved in a violent situation, with a primary purpose of starting the wheels of justice working upon the &#039;alleged&#039; criminals immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked door at various clubs and bars in NY and L.A., and can attest that confronting the people who start fights ends the fights quickly.  Predators don&#8217;t like to fight, they like to pounce.</p>
<p>A major difference in what I&#8217;ve seen v. your correspondent is that in the States, the police (and firemen and even paramedics) are happy to jump into a situation, and my co-workers and I all did our best to keep the fuzz on our side.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched cops jump into semi-riots with chairs flying past their heads, and been called to a scene to help by an officer that recognized me from work.</p>
<p>While it may be a cultural difference, I have never seen cops on this side of the pond shy way from or neglect to get involved in a violent situation, with a primary purpose of starting the wheels of justice working upon the &#8216;alleged&#8217; criminals immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds familiar. I witnessed similar situations during the 8 years I worked as a doorman. I have had police stand and watch me and another doorman get attacked by a mob armed with scaffolding poles, been threatened with arrest for holding down a young lad who tried to stab me with a knife and seen the police deliberately allow a gang to escape after they saw them beat up two young lads.

The police are not interested in preventing crime like that - their business is the recording of crime and making arrests. If they can arrest someone without breaking a sweat or running the risk of having to get physical with someone who may fight back then why would they bother with the difficult stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds familiar. I witnessed similar situations during the 8 years I worked as a doorman. I have had police stand and watch me and another doorman get attacked by a mob armed with scaffolding poles, been threatened with arrest for holding down a young lad who tried to stab me with a knife and seen the police deliberately allow a gang to escape after they saw them beat up two young lads.</p>
<p>The police are not interested in preventing crime like that &#8211; their business is the recording of crime and making arrests. If they can arrest someone without breaking a sweat or running the risk of having to get physical with someone who may fight back then why would they bother with the difficult stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Crozier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Crozier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ta, although I still think that the doorman&#039;s words should be in quotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ta, although I still think that the doorman&#8217;s words should be in quotes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem, Patrick, sorry it&#039;s not clear.  Everything here is copied and pasted from a private forum and posted here with permission, and with no additional comment from me.  Update: I added a note at the end that hopefully clarifies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, Patrick, sorry it&#8217;s not clear.  Everything here is copied and pasted from a private forum and posted here with permission, and with no additional comment from me.  Update: I added a note at the end that hopefully clarifies.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Crozier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Crozier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be a good post for one small problem: it&#039;s not clear (to me) when the doorman&#039;s words end and your&#039;s start.

Also: where did these words come from?  That&#039;s not clear either.

Sorry to be a pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be a good post for one small problem: it&#8217;s not clear (to me) when the doorman&#8217;s words end and your&#8217;s start.</p>
<p>Also: where did these words come from?  That&#8217;s not clear either.</p>
<p>Sorry to be a pain.</p>
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