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		<title>By: Rob Fisher</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2006/11/30/recycling/comment-page-1/#comment-357622</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I see it now.  Looks like prices are heading down again:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&amp;sid=auGdg5kOCKWw&amp;refer=canada

Without doing extensive research, I get the feeling that the price fluctuations are caused by changes in rates of extraction and consumption, rather than the ever increasing prices you&#039;d expect as copper runs out entirely.

I can&#039;t find anyone anywhere talking about copper running out.  I guess claims of a &quot;danger of depletion&quot; were indeed unfounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see it now.  Looks like prices are heading down again:<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&#038;sid=auGdg5kOCKWw&#038;refer=canada" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&#038;sid=auGdg5kOCKWw&#038;refer=canada</a></p>
<p>Without doing extensive research, I get the feeling that the price fluctuations are caused by changes in rates of extraction and consumption, rather than the ever increasing prices you&#8217;d expect as copper runs out entirely.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t find anyone anywhere talking about copper running out.  I guess claims of a &#8220;danger of depletion&#8221; were indeed unfounded.</p>
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		<title>By: cerebros</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2006/11/30/recycling/comment-page-1/#comment-355568</link>
		<dc:creator>cerebros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow the link in the post (as pointed out in my second comment, for some reason the hyperlink doesn&#039;t stand out that well as it&#039;s a grey rather than black</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow the link in the post (as pointed out in my second comment, for some reason the hyperlink doesn&#8217;t stand out that well as it&#8217;s a grey rather than black</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Fisher</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2006/11/30/recycling/comment-page-1/#comment-340858</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bear in mind the article is a few years old.  I&#039;d love to know where you got the copper prices info from.  More relevant than the price is whether it is high because of a shortage or because of high demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear in mind the article is a few years old.  I&#8217;d love to know where you got the copper prices info from.  More relevant than the price is whether it is high because of a shortage or because of high demand.</p>
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		<title>By: cerebros</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2006/11/30/recycling/comment-page-1/#comment-318436</link>
		<dc:creator>cerebros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm.. for some reason the link I put in doesn&#039;t seem to show up - the text &quot; copper prices are actually at record highs&quot; is a link to an article on a metals website</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm.. for some reason the link I put in doesn&#8217;t seem to show up &#8211; the text &#8221; copper prices are actually at record highs&#8221; is a link to an article on a metals website</p>
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		<title>By: cerebros</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2006/11/30/recycling/comment-page-1/#comment-318435</link>
		<dc:creator>cerebros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Rob finds yet another crackpot who reaches odd conclusions and doesn&#039;t do their research:

&lt;b&gt;The typical household in Mexico City buys fewer packaged goods than an American household, but it produces one third more garbage, chiefly because Mexicans buy fresh foods in bulk and throw away large portions that are unused, spoiled or stale. Those apples in Dittersdorfâ€™s slide, protected by plastic wrap and foam, are less likely to spoil. &lt;/b&gt;

Hmm... So let&#039;s see, plastic packaging is better becuase Mexican&#039;s buy more fresh foods than they can eat before it goes bad.  Isn&#039;t the lesson here that Mexican&#039;s shouldn&#039;t buy more fresh foods than they will be able to eat?

Also, I don&#039;t know where his evidence is for plastic wrapped apples lasting longer - we stopped buying them plastic wrapped from supermarkets becuase they don&#039;t last as long as loose ones you can buy from the market

From the linked article:
&lt;b&gt;Fifty years ago, for instance, tin and copper were said to be in danger of depletion, and conservationists urged mandatory recycling and rationing of these vital metals so that future generations wouldn&#039;t be deprived of food containers and telephone wires. But today tin and copper are cheaper than ever. &lt;/b&gt;

Yet in actual fact, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metalmarkets.org.uk/2006/04/25/metals-prices-up-again/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; copper prices are actually at record highs&lt;/a&gt;

I got bored of reading after that, but I&#039;m sure others with more perseverance than I could find more issues with this article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Rob finds yet another crackpot who reaches odd conclusions and doesn&#8217;t do their research:</p>
<p><b>The typical household in Mexico City buys fewer packaged goods than an American household, but it produces one third more garbage, chiefly because Mexicans buy fresh foods in bulk and throw away large portions that are unused, spoiled or stale. Those apples in Dittersdorfâ€™s slide, protected by plastic wrap and foam, are less likely to spoil. </b></p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; So let&#8217;s see, plastic packaging is better becuase Mexican&#8217;s buy more fresh foods than they can eat before it goes bad.  Isn&#8217;t the lesson here that Mexican&#8217;s shouldn&#8217;t buy more fresh foods than they will be able to eat?</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t know where his evidence is for plastic wrapped apples lasting longer &#8211; we stopped buying them plastic wrapped from supermarkets becuase they don&#8217;t last as long as loose ones you can buy from the market</p>
<p>From the linked article:<br />
<b>Fifty years ago, for instance, tin and copper were said to be in danger of depletion, and conservationists urged mandatory recycling and rationing of these vital metals so that future generations wouldn&#8217;t be deprived of food containers and telephone wires. But today tin and copper are cheaper than ever. </b></p>
<p>Yet in actual fact, <a href="http://www.metalmarkets.org.uk/2006/04/25/metals-prices-up-again/" rel="nofollow"> copper prices are actually at record highs</a></p>
<p>I got bored of reading after that, but I&#8217;m sure others with more perseverance than I could find more issues with this article</p>
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