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		<title>By: mookrit</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-361353</link>
		<dc:creator>mookrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we may use animals for our purposes â€“ like cultivation for food â€“ we should attempt to make their remaining days as pleasant as possible. As animals feel pleasure and pain, we should not deliberately set out to inflict harm. In that sense one can distinguish a positive act (such as sexual abuse) from an omission (such as neglecting to provide adequate housing space).

Ultimately however, the democratic process only guarantees the process, and not the content. If we were to start from scratch and examine existing protections afforded to animals, and then decide some were beyond a bare minimum standard, I doubt animal activists would permit their removal. The tendency would be to add increasing protections to the point where the burden would become unjustifiable. So in a practical sense translating strong moral convictions to legislation is not always feasible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we may use animals for our purposes â€“ like cultivation for food â€“ we should attempt to make their remaining days as pleasant as possible. As animals feel pleasure and pain, we should not deliberately set out to inflict harm. In that sense one can distinguish a positive act (such as sexual abuse) from an omission (such as neglecting to provide adequate housing space).</p>
<p>Ultimately however, the democratic process only guarantees the process, and not the content. If we were to start from scratch and examine existing protections afforded to animals, and then decide some were beyond a bare minimum standard, I doubt animal activists would permit their removal. The tendency would be to add increasing protections to the point where the burden would become unjustifiable. So in a practical sense translating strong moral convictions to legislation is not always feasible.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Fisher</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-156607</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hallie:  to answer your question, I don&#039;t agree with *laws* to protect animals.  The point about the law is that it is enforced with violence against people (otherwise people would just ignore the law).  I don&#039;t agree with using violence against people to protect animals.

*However*, I agree that cruelty to animals is wrong.  The solution is a social one:  simply stigmatise people who are cruel to animals.  Protest about them.  Embarass them.  Boycott cruel meat producers.  Change people&#039;s opinions.

Just don&#039;t co-opt the violence of the government to your cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallie:  to answer your question, I don&#8217;t agree with *laws* to protect animals.  The point about the law is that it is enforced with violence against people (otherwise people would just ignore the law).  I don&#8217;t agree with using violence against people to protect animals.</p>
<p>*However*, I agree that cruelty to animals is wrong.  The solution is a social one:  simply stigmatise people who are cruel to animals.  Protest about them.  Embarass them.  Boycott cruel meat producers.  Change people&#8217;s opinions.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t co-opt the violence of the government to your cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Hallie</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-154337</link>
		<dc:creator>Hallie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry....It&#039;s me again.  I wrote the last two comments on your blog and would love to hear what you think.  Just wanted to add a name and realized that I neglected to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230;.It&#8217;s me again.  I wrote the last two comments on your blog and would love to hear what you think.  Just wanted to add a name and realized that I neglected to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-154336</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one other question.  Are you saying that passing laws to protect animals would, in some way, harm humans?  There are cruelty laws for pets and the owners of pets are bound by these laws.  Do you feel it is wrong to punish someone who is guilty gross neglect or other harm to their pet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one other question.  Are you saying that passing laws to protect animals would, in some way, harm humans?  There are cruelty laws for pets and the owners of pets are bound by these laws.  Do you feel it is wrong to punish someone who is guilty gross neglect or other harm to their pet?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-154333</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog is intelligently written and well articulated, however I&#039;m not sure why you would have used fox hunting as your primary example.  I agree PETA has a dangerous agenda, putting animals on a level with or higher than people.  I do however think that animals do have some rights, though admittedly, not legally.  I don&#039;t agree with the use of animals solely for our entertainment (ie.circuses).  I also don&#039;t think that animals need to suffer in scientific testing if there is another, better alternative.  I&#039;m not a vegan or vegetarian.  I think we are above animals and God made it that way.  I do, however, have some problems with the meat industry, and would love to see more humane treatment of said animals, but don&#039;t think there will be any laws passed anytime soon on that front.  I would not oppose laws that would make the lives of the animals we use better and happier while they are here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your blog is intelligently written and well articulated, however I&#8217;m not sure why you would have used fox hunting as your primary example.  I agree PETA has a dangerous agenda, putting animals on a level with or higher than people.  I do however think that animals do have some rights, though admittedly, not legally.  I don&#8217;t agree with the use of animals solely for our entertainment (ie.circuses).  I also don&#8217;t think that animals need to suffer in scientific testing if there is another, better alternative.  I&#8217;m not a vegan or vegetarian.  I think we are above animals and God made it that way.  I do, however, have some problems with the meat industry, and would love to see more humane treatment of said animals, but don&#8217;t think there will be any laws passed anytime soon on that front.  I would not oppose laws that would make the lives of the animals we use better and happier while they are here.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-8023</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous, I&#039;m not sure what point you&#039;re making in the first part of your post.  If it&#039;s simply, &quot;animals suffer a lot&quot; then I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right.  I did say that I don&#039;t think animals should be made to suffer unnecessarily.

As for the second part about cosmetics: let the market decide.  If people decide that they don&#039;t like the idea of animal testing then cosmetics companies have a commercial incentive to reduce animal testing.  No laws are necessary, and no terrorising of researchers is either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, I&#8217;m not sure what point you&#8217;re making in the first part of your post.  If it&#8217;s simply, &#8220;animals suffer a lot&#8221; then I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right.  I did say that I don&#8217;t think animals should be made to suffer unnecessarily.</p>
<p>As for the second part about cosmetics: let the market decide.  If people decide that they don&#8217;t like the idea of animal testing then cosmetics companies have a commercial incentive to reduce animal testing.  No laws are necessary, and no terrorising of researchers is either.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-8015</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there are so many things wrong with your blog that i dont even know where to begin. first off i agree with you- PETA are extremists. however when you compare them to the millions around the world who arent even considered extremists, such as yourself and who believe that animals are mere commodities who are to be used in whatever way we see fit, whether it be with factory farms, animal experimentation, puppy farms- the list goes on, then i think that PETA is more than outweighed. when you see as many things as PETA does (just go on the website for 10 minutes if you think you can handle it) then it is VERY easy to lose faith in humanity. 
PS often when animal rights groups talk about experimentation they dont mean just medical research but cosmetic testing also. of course though, animals deserve to be subjected to the torturous lives that we put them through because human &#039;needs&#039;far outweigh that of an animal- because humans really NEED shiny hair or longer looking lashes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are so many things wrong with your blog that i dont even know where to begin. first off i agree with you- PETA are extremists. however when you compare them to the millions around the world who arent even considered extremists, such as yourself and who believe that animals are mere commodities who are to be used in whatever way we see fit, whether it be with factory farms, animal experimentation, puppy farms- the list goes on, then i think that PETA is more than outweighed. when you see as many things as PETA does (just go on the website for 10 minutes if you think you can handle it) then it is VERY easy to lose faith in humanity.<br />
PS often when animal rights groups talk about experimentation they dont mean just medical research but cosmetic testing also. of course though, animals deserve to be subjected to the torturous lives that we put them through because human &#8216;needs&#8217;far outweigh that of an animal- because humans really NEED shiny hair or longer looking lashes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jopple</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-6764</link>
		<dc:creator>Jopple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Rob.. It&#039;s true - You really do suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Rob.. It&#8217;s true &#8211; You really do suck.</p>
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		<title>By: The roots of racism</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-6170</link>
		<dc:creator>The roots of racism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Program on the emergence of civilization. 

&quot;14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind. 
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. 
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.&quot; 
Favor. 
And disfavor. 

They point out Africansâ€™ attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it&#039;s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization. 

The roots of racism are not of this earth. 

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.


The North American continent had none.  Now 99% of that population is gone.






Organizational Heirarchy
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom: 

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as &quot;god&quot; 
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management â€“ 
3. Mafia (evil) aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere (&quot;On planets where they approved evil.&quot;) 

Then we come to terrestrial management: 

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds 
5. Romans - they answer to the egyptians 
6. Mafia - the real-world interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality 
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups. 



Survival of the favored.




Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1986 James Bond View to a Kill â€“ 1989 San Fransisco Loma Prieta earthquake.




Journal: 10 composition books + 39 megs of text files</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Program on the emergence of civilization. </p>
<p>&#8220;14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.<br />
None from the sub-Saharan African continent.<br />
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.&#8221;<br />
Favor.<br />
And disfavor. </p>
<p>They point out Africansâ€™ attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it&#8217;s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization. </p>
<p>The roots of racism are not of this earth. </p>
<p>Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.</p>
<p>The North American continent had none.  Now 99% of that population is gone.</p>
<p>Organizational Heirarchy<br />
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom: </p>
<p>1. MUCK &#8211; perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as &#8220;god&#8221;<br />
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management â€“<br />
3. Mafia (evil) aliens &#8211; runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere (&#8220;On planets where they approved evil.&#8221;) </p>
<p>Then we come to terrestrial management: </p>
<p>4. Chinese/egyptians &#8211; this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds<br />
5. Romans &#8211; they answer to the egyptians<br />
6. Mafia &#8211; the real-world interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality<br />
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician &#8211; Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups. </p>
<p>Survival of the favored.</p>
<p>Movies foreshadowing catastrophy<br />
1986 James Bond View to a Kill â€“ 1989 San Fransisco Loma Prieta earthquake.</p>
<p>Journal: 10 composition books + 39 megs of text files</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-5020</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 16:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with the fact that animal rights activists are too extreme. There are alternates to animal rights such as animal welfare that is concerned with the well being of animals but at the same time supports human / animal relationships such as companion animals and market livestock. Animal rights is a political movement that is trying to destroy all human / animal interaction including activities such as fishing, having a pet, or riding a horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with the fact that animal rights activists are too extreme. There are alternates to animal rights such as animal welfare that is concerned with the well being of animals but at the same time supports human / animal relationships such as companion animals and market livestock. Animal rights is a political movement that is trying to destroy all human / animal interaction including activities such as fishing, having a pet, or riding a horse.</p>
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		<title>By: angelweave</title>
		<link>http://robfisher.net/blog/archive/2003/12/23/animal-wrongs/comment-page-1/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>angelweave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;PETA Pirouette&lt;/strong&gt;
Well, a week late, but here it is - the PETA round-up that can be known only as the PETA Pirouette. At this time, I&#039;d like to thank PETA for the fodder. Colorado Conservative notes that PETA has a beef with beef.com, er, or had. The man we know as Trey...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>PETA Pirouette</strong><br />
Well, a week late, but here it is &#8211; the PETA round-up that can be known only as the PETA Pirouette. At this time, I&#8217;d like to thank PETA for the fodder. Colorado Conservative notes that PETA has a beef with beef.com, er, or had. The man we know as Trey&#8230;</p>
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